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The WaPo on ISA? Delusional!



The Washington Post has finally chimed in on the proposed expansion of Islamic Saudi Academy in rural Fairfax County, Virginia. And, judging by the things that the Post has chosen to focus on, I can say with confidence that they are as clueless as ever:

The Islamic Saudi Academy has asked the county for permission to build a state-of-the-art building on one of its two campuses, a 34-acre property near Fairfax City. The increased capacity could draw as many as 200 additional students to the 750-student campus each day, which has sparked concern among neighbors.


What's left out? The fact that the "state-of-the-art building" is to be built on conserved land. Have any of you homeowners here in Fairfax County (or abroad) tried building on land that the Government tells you is environmentally protected?

And are any of you living under the illusion that you could build a 111,000 square foot monstrosity without any amount of government interference?

That's what ISA's doing, and the County is not concerned at all. Why is that not worthy of discussion?
The school, which serves pre-kindergarten through 12th-grade students, is funded by the Saudi Arabia Embassy. Students learn Arabic and religion along with general subjects including math, English and social studies. Since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the school has been the subject of intense scrutiny, in part because of unfounded anti-Arab suspicions but also because of course material that troubled some elected leaders.


Unfounded anti-Arab suspicions? Like, perhaps, the fact that graduates of the school have gone on to fight the Jihad against us?

The Washington Post obviously sees nothing to be concerned about there, since they bury reference to the school's graduates way down in paragraph 9. (Pop quiz: If this were a Christian school who graduated an abortion-clinic bomber, does anyone here doubt that it would be mentioned in the lede?)

School officials, who say they do not teach hate or intolerance, have since adjusted the course materials. Lynne J. Strobel, an attorney for the school, said at Wednesday's hearing that the matter before the county is strictly an issue of land use. And in connection with the transportation and environmental concerns, she said, the school "has tried very hard . . . to make sure we carefully examine all the issues associated with this proposal."


Part of the proposed expansion, as it was pitched to the Planning Commission, involved ensuring that the school offers increased busing to all students, to reduce the amount of traffic brought by adding 900 additional students to the rural road.

Yet, in testimony given to the board, one Arab grandmother openly admitted that her grandchildren would not be riding the bus to school.

The Post, for some odd reason, doesn't feel that inconsistencies like that are worthy of a mention.

"The Islamic Saudi Academy's purpose is to train young and innocent Muslim children to hate and wage war into the future against our children," James Lafferty, a spokesman for the Traditional Values Coalition, a church lobbying group, said during the hearing.

His remarks prompted heckles and boos from teachers, parents and other supporters of the school.


... Which the Commission did nothing to stop.

"Don't you sometimes have people who get in trouble with the law who graduate from school who go to churches?" asked Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, in an interview. "It is guilt by association, and I hope the commissioners will see that this is pure hate propaganda and driven by a political agenda."


The Washington Post continues to use un-indicted terror co-conspirators as trustworthy sources of information?

Residents who opposed the plan on the basis of the possible impact on the neighborhood said they felt their concerns were drowned out during the tense meeting.


DARNED TOOTIN' they were. What the Washington Post fails to tell you is that residents feel this way because the Planning Commission completely ignored their testimony, combined with the fact that they were up speaking against an effort supported by a rather vocal crowd of over 200 people in the audience.

The school wants to consolidate some of its activities on its Fairfax City area campus and might abandon its campus off Route 1 in the Mount Vernon area, which they lease from the county. They plan to erect a 100,000-square-foot building on the Fairfax campus, which requires county approval.


A sweetheart rental deal that the Washington Post has never put out to investigate. (Hint: The County's lease of that building was only intended to last for 5 years.)

Wonder why?

"If this was a Christian school, I guarantee this wouldn't be happening," said Sana Bakir, whose daughter is in eighth grade at the academy.


Yup, Ms. Bakir is obviously right. Christian schools would never have made it this far in the process.

I've got a request in with Channel 16 to provide an archived copy of the video for anyone who wants to see this circus for themselves. I am also trying to get in touch with school leadership at Fairfax Christian School, who used to own the land that ISA is trying to expand. Judging by the articles I've seen in the Post's archives on LexisNexis, there's a good chance that FCS has quite a lot to tell about how "well" Fairfax County treats Christian schools.

Stay tuned, y'all!
 
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Here is what a handful of random people think about this article. But first, the fine print:
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upyernoz on 2009-03-23 16:13 #1
*"unindicted co-conspirators" is another way of saying innocent. you can indict pretty much anyone in this country. as they said in law school, a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich. if they don't have enough for an indictment, that means they have nothing. as we also learned in law school "unindicted co-conspirator" is a shorthand for smearing innocent people by making it sound like they're criminals.

but that's not what drove me to comment here. before i got on that tangent, i meant to just note that i am attended a wahabbi financed school in chicago and had no problems there at all. i took my first arabic class at american islamic college in chicago. this jewish atheist had no problems at all there.

i don't see anything wrong with a saudi financed school in the u.s., provided they comply with all applicable laws. the only actual issue you raise that has any actual merit is whether they are building on conserved land. that bothers me more than the fact that its an islamic school.
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captainfish on 2009-03-23 19:59 #2
*Upyours, there is no such thing as a Jewish atheist. that is an oxymoron.

This is not about hating islam. Though, much of the component is a fear. Many of us "fear" the expansion of Islam because we have heard, learned, and SEEN what Islam means to its peaceful neighbors. Many end up dead through decapitation if they dare stand up to Islam.

What these posts are trying to show however, is that there is a double-standard. Much like how racial quotas are despised and fought against by many Americans, we fight against the pro-Islam bias pushed by many government agencies.

We are also fighting the pro-Mexican bias, the pro-terrorism bias, and the pro-socialism bias.

BTW, Chicago is not really a bright spot in America.
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upyernoz on 2009-03-23 20:27 #3
*(1) "Upyours, there is no such thing as a Jewish atheist. that is an oxymoron."

there is too such a thing as a jewish atheist. i am jewish by birth, atheist in belief. judaism is a religion, but also an ethnic group and a cultural identity. in fact, there's a long tradition of atheism among jews. but maybe you don't hang with the peeps that often and just think of it as a religion.

(2) "This is not about hating islam. Though, much of the component is a fear. Many of us "fear" the expansion of Islam because we have heard, learned, and SEEN what Islam means to its peaceful neighbors. Many end up dead through decapitation if they dare stand up to Islam."

um, where did this come from? did i say anything about fearing islam? the fact that you brought it up apropos of nothing, makes me wonder a bit if you're just being defensive.

but okay, i'm game. you claim to know all this stuff about "what islam means", so how many muslim countries have you been to? i've been to turkey, syria, lebanon, tunisia, mali, uzbekistan, tajikistan, and egypt. i've also bummed around the coast of kenya, which is predominantly muslim, and was in the west bank last august. i've never had any problem with muslims anywhere. being an arabic speaker (i'm not fluent, but i can hold a conversation) i've also had countless discussions with real live muslims about politics and their view of the world. as noted above, i've also attended an islamic school (though that was for a language class, not anything overtly religious). i don't pretend to be an expert on islam or the islamic world, but i have seen a bit of it and know quite a lot of real live muslims. i wonder how you got your special insight.

(3) "What these posts are trying to show however, is that there is a double-standard. Much like how racial quotas are despised and fought against by many Americans, we fight against the pro-Islam bias pushed by many government agencies."

i got news for ya: there really isn't a pro-islam bias in government agencies. in this case, as i told brian in an email, i think it's more a matter of money. in my experience, rich developers generally get their zoning variances. it's just a guess, but i think a saudi financed school probably has deeper pockets than some locally funded christian school. on the zoning issue, we're basically on the same side. but for me, it's a "money talks" issue. the religion thing is basically irrelevant.

(4) "We are also fighting the pro-Mexican bias, the pro-terrorism bias, and the pro-socialism bias."

this is performance art right? you're trying to be the stereotype of the lunatic rightwinger? man, this is hilarious! where the hell did the mexican thing come from? i thought we were talking about a muslim school in virginia.

(5) "BTW, Chicago is not really a bright spot in America."

um, relevance? honestly, what does that have to do with any of my points in my above comment.

that being said, i disagree with you. i loved living in chicago. it really is a great city. of the 7 cities i have lived in during my life it was, by far, my favorite.
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soccer dad on 2009-03-24 15:08 #4
*<b>The school, which serves pre-kindergarten through 12th-grade students, is funded by the Saudi Arabia Embassy. Students learn Arabic and religion along with general subjects including math, English and social studies. Since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the school has been the subject of intense scrutiny, in part because of unfounded anti-Arab suspicions but also because of course material that troubled some elected leaders. </b>

"troubled some elected leaders?" If there was a Christian or Jewish school that put out comparable material, would the Post have been so passive in its coverage?
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upyernoz on 2009-03-24 15:19 #5
*"If there was a Christian or Jewish school that put out comparable material, would the Post have been so passive in its coverage? "

i think every religious school does "put out comparable material." doesn't every jewish school in the u.s. teach hebrew and religion along with math, english and social studies? and while christian schools generally don't teach a liturgical language (most christian denominations in the u.s. don't have one), they also tend to teach both religion and secular subjects.
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Rooster on 2009-03-24 16:02 #6
*I don't know what the shit a "caliphate" is so I ain't reading the rest of this crap article. But I do have one thing to say. Fuck them muslims.
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captainfish on 2009-03-25 19:38 #7
*UpYourNoz, have you not heard of linkages? You referenced your schooling at a Wahabi school. Is that not a school based on Islam? You mentioned that this school was in Chicago. Is that not a topic of discussion as well? How can you claim not knowing where these topics come from when you brought them up?

As for talking about the growing biases in this world, this post was about an Islamic school. You took offense to that by stating, "unindicted co-conspirators" is another way of saying innocent. you can indict pretty much anyone in this country. as we also learned in law school "unindicted co-conspirator" is a shorthand for smearing innocent people by making it sound like they're criminals.

You took offense at Brian's post of an 'Islamic' School. I was pointing out that his critique wasn't just because this school was Muslim-based. It was only a small component. The others were that it is a Saudi-funded school that has a history of funding extremism. It was about a sect that seems to be getting favorable treatment that the land's previous tenant could not get. It is about the double standard of a council and ignoring its own rules for the benefit of this saudi-funded muslim school on Conservation Lands. It was how the council treated the other landowners.

No pro-Islam bias??? Excuse me? Who stood up in front of this nation following the 9/11/01 attacks and said that Islam means peace? How often do we hear that because almost all terrorists attacks in this world are committed by Islam does not mean anything?

BTW, I have grown up and have learned that being a Jew means you are tied to the Judeo-GOD. Your blood and your reason for existence is based on the belief in God. Those who do not believe in God are just Israelis (if born in Israel). Or, just plain atheists if born elsewhere.

Judaism, along with Islam, are distinct in this world in that their national identity is uniquely tied to their religious belief. If one is a muslim, then their belief is Islam. One can't be a muslim atheist.

Am I mistaken?
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upyernoz on 2009-03-26 09:11 #8
*"UpYourNoz, have you not heard of linkages? You referenced your schooling at a Wahabi school. Is that not a school based on Islam? You mentioned that this school was in Chicago. Is that not a topic of discussion as well? How can you claim not knowing where these topics come from when you brought them up?"

i'm sorry, but that paragraph is mostly incoherent. it doesn't seem to focus on any of the points i actually made in any of my prior comments. but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and try to answer your questions:

-yes, i have heard of linkage. but the fact that things can be related to other things doesn't mean that everything is relevant to a particular issue. i have a big toe that is connected by my body to my eyes. but that doesn't mean that a scratch on my toe has anything to do with my eyesight.

-yes, the wahabbi finances school was a muslim school. (it's called the "american islamic college")

-yes, i mentioned it was in chicago. but that was just incidental to my point that i went to an islamic school, even as a non-believer and managed to get out alive and without joining a terrorist group. i even managed to make a few friends. chicago has nothing to do with that.

-i don't understand how you could read my comment as raising the issue of how big of a bright spot chicago is. in fact, the issue wasn't there at all. it seems to me that you just latched onto a rather incidental detail and tried to attack me through that. probably because you had less of substance to say about my actual points.

"As for talking about the growing biases in this world, this post was about an Islamic school. You took offense to that by stating, "unindicted co-conspirators" is another way of saying innocent. you can indict pretty much anyone in this country. as we also learned in law school "unindicted co-conspirator" is a shorthand for smearing innocent people by making it sound like they're criminals."

you realize that you're completely jumbling together two different points i made? first, there is the point about the islamic school: my point about that is that there's nothing inherently scary about such a thing. i went to one and find all the "madrassa" fear mongering both funny and stupid at the same time.

then there's my second point: that the term "unindicted co-conspirator" is very misleading as it is a way to make someone who is innocent look guilty. it's simply a propaganda tactic, which is another substitute for a coherent argument.

as you can see those two points are separate. i don't get why you are jumbling them together.

<i>You took offense at Brian's post of an 'Islamic' School. I was pointing out that his critique wasn't just because this school was Muslim-based. It was only a small component. The others were that it is a Saudi-funded school that has a history of funding extremism. It was about a sect that seems to be getting favorable treatment that the land's previous tenant could not get. It is about the double standard of a council and ignoring its own rules for the benefit of this saudi-funded muslim school on Conservation Lands. It was how the council treated the other landowners.</i>

as i said above, i agree that the school shouldn't get special treatment. but if that's the real point, why all this stuff about "shariah", caliphates and the scary mooslim hordes? and check out rooster's comments above! he/she doesn't even mention the zoning issue, which is the only real issue here.

oh and as for "a history of funding extremism" that's basically where my point about "unindicted co-conspirators" comes in. i guess this just goes to show that propaganda works.

"No pro-Islam bias??? Excuse me? Who stood up in front of this nation following the 9/11/01 attacks and said that Islam means peace? How often do we hear that because almost all terrorists attacks in this world are committed by Islam does not mean anything?"

actually, most terrorist attacks in the world are not committed by muslims. the problem is that the media usually only calls an attack a "terrorist attack" when it is committed by a muslim. the place in the world with the most suicide bombings is sri lanka. (the tamil tigers were the modern originators of the tactic). the area with the most terrorism is latin america. it just doesn't get reported that way. nor is any bombing done by the u.s., it's allies or israel ever called "terrorism" whereas if the same bombing is done by any group, even a military force, in the muslim world, it's inevitably called "terrorism". that's just the double standard of the world right now.

"BTW, I have grown up and have learned that being a Jew means you are tied to the Judeo-GOD. Your blood and your reason for existence is based on the belief in God. Those who do not believe in God are just Israelis (if born in Israel). Or, just plain atheists if born elsewhere."

as i said above, a "jew" is both an ethnic designation and a religion. i am ethnically jewish, religiously nothing. and, as i also said, atheist jews have a long tradition in the jewish community. maybe you learned otherwise, but you know, i think i have better authority on this as we're talking about the community i was borned into and raised in.

"One can't be a muslim atheist."

that is true. islam, like christianity, is only a religion, not an ethnic group.
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