The Ghost of Snapped Shot

Or, welcome to my low-maintenance heck.

Oo, Look! CNN's Digging Dirt

It's funny, that. I don't remember them being all that interested when Obama's pastor had a lot on his mind:

Pastor: GOP may be downplaying Palin's religious beliefs

For more than two decades, current Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was a practicing Pentecostal.

Sarah Palin asked church members to pray for $30 billion natural gas pipeline in Alaska.

She belonged to the Wasilla Assembly of God church in her hometown of Wasilla, Alaska. But though she attended the church from her teenage years through to 2002, she hasn't talked much about her religion since joining the Republican ticket.

Palin's former pastor, Tim McGraw, says that like many Pentecostal churches, some members speak in tongues, although he says he's never seen Palin do so. Church member Caroline Spangler told CNN, "When the spirit comes on you, you utter things that nobody else can understand ... only God can understand what is coming out of our mouths."

Some Pentecostals from Assembly of God also believe in "faith healing" and the "end times" -- a violent upheaval that they believe will deliver Jesus Christ's second coming.

Gee, wilbur—Who would've guessed that someone attending a Pentecostal church might... be Pentecostal!



#1 Dean 09-Sep-2008
You cannot be serious. For weeks, perhaps months, all you heard about was Rev Wright.

Gee, wilbur - who would have guessed that a blogger might be... a hypocrite!

This entire campaign has been only about personalities (he's a celebrity! He's an old man! He's a liberal! He's a flip-flopper! He's elite! He's too rich! She's a pit bull! She's a right-wing nutjob!).

Sheesh. All the politically active in this campaign are freakin' idiots!
#2 CJ 09-Sep-2008
Perhaps Obama's pastor does indeed have a lot of controversial if not outright bizarre and delusional ideas. However, CNN and other news agencies did very much so report these views as front headlines. So much so that Obama had to make a separate speech to address them. So your claim that the media ignored the matter is nonsense.

Second, it is very important to remember that Obama's pastor is not the one in line for the White House and the most powerful office in the world. Palin is. As such, the fact that she gyrates around and utters unintelligible speech and thinks the world is seven thousand years old is very much of concern to any voting American. And, hopefully, a thinking American.
#3 Jen 09-Sep-2008
I'm going to say this in the "love language" (speaking in tounges) practiced at Governor Palin's former Pentacostal Church…halabaha we are so fucckexthfyed habalahala PRAISE JESUS!!!
#4 Jeremy 09-Sep-2008
Yea dude - Reverend Wright was all over the news for 2 weeks. Where were you? Anarctica?
#5 Obama/Biden Supporter 09-Sep-2008
Okay enough already... I'm ready for this woman to head back to the great state of Alaska (only let the polar bears know so they can either prepare for battle or flee from the lipstick covered "pit bull" before she destroys the rest of their natural habitat).

Seriously though, I understand that there are many religious people in this country and that fine... however, we can't have another Jesus freak running the country. We (and by we I mean you, I voted for Kerry and Gore) already made this mistake twice by electing a Jesus freak. You are welcome to believe in whatever kind of God you want, but the President has to understand that he or she must make cognitive decisions as President and can't think that it's "God's Will" or anything supernatural. We need a President who makes good decisions using logic. reason and critical thinking skills, not based on spiritual beliefs about it being out of his or her control. There is Separation of Church and State for a reason people!

Please, do us all this favor and vote for Barack Obama and Joe Biden so we can give The White House back to people who don't let their faith control how they govern. I beg of you... for the love of God (which ever one you may be praying to).

*Obama/Biden 08*
#6 Jen 09-Sep-2008
Bring in the snakes, the END TIMES are upon us! Barack Obama needs an old fashioned "faith healing"! "Let's 'pray away the gay' we can get all the SEXUAL out of the homosexuals".

This was a sarcastic (poorly done) spoof of the sad characters that actually believe the statements above.

I find that the earth is round not flat, the sky isn't falling and hopefully the rapture is only a bad b-movie starring Meme Rogers and David Duchuvney.
Are these people serious?

Frightening to think Palin went to this pentacostal church for 20 years.

McCain/Palalalalin 2 pts. ahead in the latest "poll of polls"...

so afraid, so very afraid...
#7 GoPalin 09-Sep-2008
You are reaching CNN It will not stop us from voting PALIN in November. We can see through your "Protect-Obama-and slander – everybody else-lenses"

#8 SandyT 09-Sep-2008
If you support Obama, then you support Innocent Killings! I must comment on the War, Obama and Biden are against it, so they bicker about 4000 ADULT Soldiers that have died for Freedom, killing Terrorists, who hate us(Americans) in the last 5 years. These soldiers on their own accord signed up to make the World a better place and prayers go out to each soldier and their families, God Bless. On the other hand Obama and Biden have no compassion for the 1,210,000 plus INNOCENT lives that were destroyed just last year in 2007, that is over ONE MILLION BABIES THAT WERE ABORTED JUST IN THE U.S. LAST YEAR! Do you see what I'm getting at! You do the math! Oh Yeah, that's above Obama's pay grade...I'll do it for him, TOTAL- 5,000,000 of God's children destroyed in the last 5 years, forgive us Lord! It's McCain/Palin (08) for me. These Innocent babies need someone to speak for them! God Bless America! Reverse Roe vs Wade!
#9 diggingForTruth 09-Sep-2008
This has been debunked here:
#10 Brian C. Ledbetter 09-Sep-2008
Oooo, look! [i]Concern trolls![/i]

Looks like somebody knows how to use ye olde Google Blogsearch, eh?

For the record, Trollites, Barack Obama announced his candidacy for President on February 10, 2007. CNN's story about his "controversial" pastor didn't make it to print until March [i]2008[/i].

For those of you who are unable to do simple math, that's [i]13 whole months[/i] before the "controversy" became newsworthy.

As opposed to the [i]7 [u]days[/u][/i] that it took CNN to show an interest in the story here.


Stay trolleriffic,
#11 solson 09-Sep-2008
Thanks, Brian, for clarifying the issue for the "sophisticates". And the takeaway from the anti-Christian trolls: It's all fine that you nuts have your crazy religion but don't think you have a place in our public square. Sheesh, doesn't the left even try to fake like they are all for supporting freedom anymore?
#12 Kevin 09-Sep-2008
It's amazing how much disdain the Obamessiah trolls have for Christianity. Is Jesus in direct competition with our new savior, The One? Is that what's going on here?
#13 Jeremy 09-Sep-2008
Separation of church and state is a political and legal doctrine that government and religious institutions are to be kept separate and independent from each other. The term most often refers to the combination of two principles: secularity of government and freedom of religious exercise.

I think that's what we "Obamessiah trolls" have against Christianity in the government. It's one thing to support a religion. It's another to make political decisions based on it.
#14 Mongol 09-Sep-2008
Ah... you don't say. She believes the Bible. Radical! "takes out pitch fork and torches"... oh wait, wrong forum.

Jeremy, I thought of reminding you what the "separation of church and state means" but I see you are not much into literal reading.

If you kindly allow me I may point out some logical inconsistencies with your post.
First of all you make an ASS-umption (I don't want to know where you pulled it from), that she makes political decisions based on religion. Pephaps you will care to clarify or give examples? Or maybe are we to understand that any action of hers that does not promote "progressive" agenda is to be a suspect of her "imposing" Christianity on you?

Secondly, Christianity in government (at least in a sense that is so detastable to you - that is openly proffessing Christians work for government) was there since the founding of US.

GW:"You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention."
George Washington's Speech to Delaware Indian Chiefs on May 12, 1779, in John C. Fitzpatrick, editor, The Writings of George Washington, Vol. XV (Washinton: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1932), p. 55.

"That I am not a member of any Christian church is true; but I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures; and I have never spoken with intentional disrespect of religion in general, or of any denomination of Christians in particular....I do not think I could myself be brought to support a man for office whom I knew to be an open enemy of, or scoffer at, religion." (July 31, 1846)

"I invite the people of the United states (on Aug 6)... to invoke the influence of His Holy Spirit... to guide the counsels of the government with wisdom adequate to so great a national emergency, and to visit with tender care and consolation throughout the length and breadth of our land all those who, through the vicissitudes of marches, voyages, battles, and sieges have been brought to suffer in mind, body, or estate, and finally to lead the whole nation through the paths of repentance and submission to the Divine will back to the perfect enjoyment of union and internal peace." (July 15,1863)

"A Bible and a newspaper in every house, a good school in every district -- all studied and appreciated as they merit -- are the principal support of virtue, morality, and civil liberty." March 1778 letter to the Ministry of France

"In the beginning of the Contest with Great Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayer in this room for the Divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending providence in our favor.

To that kind providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful Friend? Or do we imagine we no longer need His assistance?

I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?

We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that 'except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it.' I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages ...

I therefore beg leave to move -- that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service. "
June 28, 1787, the Constitutional Convention

Darn bigots those Founding Fathers were, wouldn't you say so Jeremy?

oh here is my favorite, I hope I don't have to remind you where this is from:

"...When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. "

It would seem to me at least that these aforementioned truths are not quite as self-evident as they were to Founding Fathers and to us "bigoted rednecks".
#15 Jen 09-Sep-2008
To Sandy T:

So you actually believe making abortion illegal will prevent women from having them?

Legislating morality has worked so well. Like for example the "War on Drugs" because no one does drugs because they're illegal, right?

Give me a break, one thing I guess they can't teach in sunday school is how to have common sense and use the brain God gave you.

If all you fundamentalist right wing nuts have your way, middle and upper class women will fly to Canada or some other civilized nation to have a safe, legal abortion while poor women will suffer and die from illegal back alley abortions.

Sounds exactly like what God would want, right?

By the way, using the figure you give (1.2 mil) a year, that would be 6 million in five years. Maybe you should do the math, oh wait you can't add.

As always, the village idiots have rounded up tourches and pitchforks and are on their high horse trying to storm the capital.

Not this time, moderate, decent, educated citizens will no longer stand for your monster's ball. See you in November you mental midget. Obama/Biden 08'.
#16 Mongol 09-Sep-2008
lol Jen... such nice waterproof logic... oops bottom just fell out. here let me hold it for you.

"So you actually believe making abortion illegal will prevent women from having them"

I am not Sandy but allow me to answer - huh? you still can not get over your "redneck" stereotype of dull dimwitted conservatives can you?

"Legislating morality has worked so well. Like for example the "War on Drugs" because no one does drugs because they're illegal, right?"

So by your account we should stop war on drugs, because it's not completely winnable/enforceable right? you sound like someone else we heard not long ago... oh wait. Mr. Zero's campaign declared couple of month ago that foreign policy should be based on Vinnie the Pooh - if it hurts too much (involves too much effort) stop doing it.
But wait, how about murder? Humanity will never be able to stop it, now shall we stop catching and prosecuting murderers? We don't want to impose our "bigoted morality" on murderers right? Hence we should not stop murdering of millions of children. Great logic. You keep doing what you doing... hopefully in about 40 years people like you will be... what's the word... ah.. extinct. Too bad millions more will have to do before that.
#17 Mongol 09-Sep-2008
*Too bad millions more will have to die before that.
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Why does the revival tarry? It is because God's
people tarry to obey the powerful command of
the Lord in Rev. 18:4. This is the most powerful
revival message of the Lord to his people in our time.

As in the days of Lot, it is now. Lot was not interested
to leave Sodom. God sent two angels to rescue him,
and they must persuade him to leave Sodom. When
he yet lingered, one of the angels said to him:
"Flee for your life sake ..."
Just like as Lot, God's people are not interested to
leave the great Babylon, but finally they must flee
for their life from there.

God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge
because their preachers have rejected knowledge.
Hosea 4:6-11. Instead to preaching the truth of the
Assembly of God, they have preached lies about the
Assembly of God. The Pentecostalists have abused
the expression "Assembly of God" and used it as a
name of their church.

Evil spirits in the churches

What does hinder the Antichrist to appear?
What is the Restrainer?

Why did the Pentecostal Revival take an end?

The coming revival, a nameless revival

The spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit are neccassary
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