God have mercy.

Yeah- he's a major asshole.

Major malfunction.

One shooter still at large!

"probably two shooters"

15 rounds, 4 guns?

When I hear "Major" I think of my dad, who retired from the Marines as a Major. It is unfathomable to me that a man of equal rank to my dad could do something like this. Guess you never know.

Interesting, Fox is saying they have a name but are not saying it until it is thoroughly confirmed. A little un-Fox-like.

re: #7 cliffster

Interesting, Fox is saying they have a name but are not saying it until it is thoroughly confirmed. A little un-Fox-like.

They're saving it for Beck's show so he can stem out all about it.

I googled Malik Nadal Hasan. Most people with that name seem to be Pakistani.

I am waiting for the facts to come in. before I have anything to say.

re: #9 Killgore Trout

I googled Malik Nadal Hasan. Most people with that name seem to be Pakistani.

It's an interesting name for a convert if you ask me. But what do I know eh.

re: #5 spirochete

"probably two shooters"

15 rounds, 4 guns?

Earlier CNN reported that the shooter that was killed had two handguns. With the numbers, that doesn't jibe with a single shooter.

Typically, officers have sidearms and average enlisted soldiers only have a rifle issued to them.

I think we need to start recognizing the threat posed by Majors.

Oh, goodness! I am just hearing about this!

re: #7 cliffster

Shep is a little un fox like

The two other people in custody are also army.
If they are also Islamic converts, this will not be good at all...

re: #6 bosforus

When I hear "Major" I think of my dad, who retired from the Marines as a Major. It is unfathomable to me that a man of equal rank to my dad could do something like this. Guess you never know.

Big brother is USAF Lt. Colonel. I've watched his colleagues "grow up" since College ROTC and commissioning. I've never met one I wouldn't trust my life or the keys to a nucelar missile to. This is weirdness beyond my experience.

Please no jokes. Please.

Oh my God.

Whoever it was, it's bad enough when we lose our soldiers in war. This is tragedy beyond immediate comprehension...for me, anyway.

re: #9 Killgore Trout

He is reported to be a convert.

re: #9 Killgore Trout

I googled Malik Nadal Hasan. Most people with that name seem to be Pakistani.

Interesting. Even given his position as a Major, I still would not rule out jihadism just quite yet. There's much we don't know about this guy and his cohorts.

re: #9 Killgore Trout

I googled Malik Nadal Hasan. Most people with that name seem to be Pakistani.

It's pretty generic as far as Islamic names go, without specialized spellings so family origin could be from anywhere. E.G. There are Hezbollah and Palestinians named that as well.

re: #13 abu boo boo

I think we need to start recognizing the threat posed by Majors.

I recognized the threat at 14 years old when my dad successfully shot an orange three times in a row as it rolled down an embankment from 15 yards.

Damn. What a tragedy. My prayers to all the victims and their families.

re: #20 tradewind

He is reported to be a convert.

If true, no shock. Converts tend to be fairly fanatical, irrespective of faith.

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, goodness! I am just hearing about this!

12 dead including the shooter. 2 more people in custody as suspects. No children were killed.

re: #11 enoughalready

It's an interesting name for a convert if you ask me. But what do I know eh.

It's a pretty standard Muslim name. He is probably from Pakistan, possibly a translator.

re: #20 tradewind

He is reported to be a convert.

Converts tend to be the most radical of the radicals. When did he convert, if indeed he converted?

Fucking fuckity fuck fuck...so this wasn't some homesick E2 who just got a dear John letter from his girl back home and snapped.

That much was clear when miltiple shooters were announced.

re: #25 Guanxi88

If true, no shock. Converts tend to be fairly fanatical, irrespective of faith.

You know as a convert to a faith I can agree with that. Fortunately not many faiths in the West advocate killing for God. (no sarcasm- it really is better for those of us who believe in the irrational to advocate allowing others their own brand of irrationality.)

Apparently none of the victims were armed.

Here's a link that leads to a live feed from Killeen...

[Link: www.kxxv.com...]

re: #9 Killgore Trout

(I tend to think Shiite...Lebanese Shiite, etc., not Pakistani, sunni..)

re: #27 Killgore Trout

It's a pretty standard Muslim name. He is probably from Pakistan, possibly a translator.

A convert from Pakistan?

re: #20 tradewind

He is reported to be a convert.

Source?

re: #28 Honorary Yooper
Senator Hutchison just said he was reported to be a ' recent convert'. I don't know what that means, if it is true.

re: #36 Killgore Trout

KBH speaking to Shep Smith.

re: #29 Fenway_Nation

Fucking fuckity fuck fuck...so this wasn't some homesick E2 who just got a dear John letter from his girl back home and snapped.

That much was clear when miltiple shooters were announced.

One shooter- he's dead. 2 others in custody as possible suspects, but let's go easy here before assuming there was plot or something.

re: #38 Walter L. Newton

He is reportedly from Virginia.

ABC's Brian Ross: Shooter identified as Maj Malik Hassan, convert to Islam.

[Link: twitter.com...]

re: #39 tradewind

Ah, I'll keep an eye out for that.

re: #42 infidel4ever

Ah, thanks.

re: #37 tradewind

Senator Hutchison just said he was reported to be a ' recent convert'. I don't know what that means, if it is true.

It could mean he became a Major then converted. We'll have to wait and see.

Rick Perry just said ' Three shooters, one killed two in custody'.

re: #20 tradewind

He is reported to be a convert.

Convert to what from what?

Three shooters. No info directly about them...nothing confirmed, inappropriate to make speculations.

Gov. Perry says here were 3 shooters--so a conspiracy.

"3 shooters, one dead, two in custody." Gov. Rick Perry on CNN

Gov. Perry says there were 3 shooters.. 1 dead 2 in custody

It sure sounds a lot like a case of domestic terrorism to me.

Am I just paranoid?

re: #32 Bagua

I can't speak for Ft. Hood, but when I was stationed in Georgia the only time we were armed and had live ammo was when we were out on the ranges.

/That was infantry- MPs might be another matter.

re: #52 HoosierHoops

Shooters or mere suspects?

re: #47 eastsider

Oh Duh.
Convert to Pentecostal Snake handler.

suspects

re: #53 really grumpy big dog johnson

It sure sounds a lot like a case of domestic terrorism to me.

Am I just paranoid?

Think it was a Tea Partier?

Noticing with trepidation that they are withholding the names of the other two terrorists.

re: #55 Rightwingconspirator

Shooters or mere suspects?

He plainly said 3 shooters

re: #55 Rightwingconspirator

Shooters. "Three shooters."

re: #60 HoosierHoops

re: #61 J.S.

Thats very bad. Oh boy.

I'm going to stick with the military guy from Fort Hood that there was one shooter, he's dead, and two others were taken into custody.

re: #50 D.C. Law

This is shaping up to be another jihadi shooting. Not the first time (remember the Empire State building shooter?) and not the last.

Its not shaping up to anything yet. Its been 2 hours, and all you have is a name.

re: #53 really grumpy big dog johnson

It sure sounds a lot like a case of domestic terrorism to me.

Am I just paranoid?

No, you're not paranoid. It could foreign infiltration as well as the Major was apparently a recent convert.

re: #40 Sharmuta

What the hell are you saying? The fact that there were multiple shooters is indicative of a plot in and of itself.

re: #54 Fenway_Nation

I can't speak for Ft. Hood, but when I was stationed in Georgia the only time we were armed and had live ammo was when we were out on the ranges.

/That was infantry- MPs might be another matter.

I expect that policy will be reconsidered in the coming days.

re: #40 Sharmuta

One shooter- he's dead. 2 others in custody as possible suspects, but let's go easy here before assuming there was plot or something.

You mean assume for now that the other two were not involved?

re: #63 Sharmuta
I would imagine that the governor has been given the latest information.

re: #62 Rightwingconspirator

Yep. and, I'm figuring it could get even worse...(depending, of course).

re: #70 tradewind

I would imagine that the governor has been given the latest information.

I would imagine the guy on the scene who saw it with his own eyes knows a little better.

re: #68 abu boo boo

Assume a suspect is a suspect. "postal" shooting are very common compared to jihads shootings in our military.

re: #33 tradewind

Here's a link that leads to a live feed from Killeen...

[Link: www.kxxv.com...]

Good link. Thanks. I recommend it to others.

re: #50 D.C. Law

This is shaping up to be another jihadi shooting. Not the first time (remember the Empire State building shooter?) and not the last.

And you know this?

re: #68 abu boo boo

You mean assume for now that the other two were not involved?

My understanding is that they were not shooters. They ran from the scene, were found in another building and were taken into custody for questioning.

Despite the apparently coordinated, multiple attacks and the fact that at least one of the shooters is presumptively Muslim, CNN still has this non sequitur in its reporting:

Fort Hood is home to the Warrior Combat Stress Reset Program, which is designed to help soldiers overcome combat stress issues.

In June, Fort Hood's commander, Lt. Gen. Rick Lynch, told CNN that he was trying to ease the kind of stresses soldiers face. He has pushed for soldiers working a day schedule to return home for dinner by 6 p.m., and required his personal authorization for anyone working weekends. At the time, two soldiers stationed there had committed suicide in 2009 -- a rate well below those of other posts.

These guys could have been shooting up the place from an APC built out of Korans and CNN would still likely try to imply that it's just PTSD.

re: #72 Sharmuta

Guess we'll just have to wait and see. Perry just said he got his information from the uprange commander and the downrange commander.

Back to that FBI statement about extreme right wing groups in regards to terrorist acts. Was this they had in mind?

G-d bless the victims and their families.

re: #56 tradewind

Oh Duh.
Convert to Pentecostal Snake handler.

I deleted about five jokes that flitted across my mind with that. Each was more tasteless than the last.

It will almost surely get worse. With 12 reported killed and 31 injured, there's a lot of wiggle room for this to get a whole lot worse.

re: #66 Fenway_Nation

The fact that there were multiple shooters is indicative of a plot in and of itself.

It's not an established fact yet. I think it's unlikely that he was the lone gunman but the other two are suspects, nothing confirmed yet.

re: #69 D.C. Law

Oh, and don't forget the New Jersey jihadis who targeted American soldiers and were stopped only because the idiots made a video and a clerk happened to see the thing and call the FBI.

Yeah...but those fucking idiots weren't given the rank of Major in the Uited States Army.

It's possible that the Governor does not have the specifics on the people in custody. It would probably be best to wait until they give out the information in a few hours (or perhaps tomorrow).

As far as a Major not being able to advance if he was an Islamic radical - they really don't pursue this unless there is a reason to do so. Any soldier with a clearance would have to answer questions that, if honestly answered, would reveal something. I would imagine that an Islamic radical would not be truthful about his proclivities, though.

I retired after 20 years in the Army and I can't figure out how they would detect this before the attack.

re: #77 D.C. Law

Eastsider - wake the hell up. Your PC crap gets people killed.

So does jumping to conclusions when you don't know all of the facts.

re: #76 Sharmuta

My understanding is that they were not shooters. They ran from the scene, were found in another building and were taken into custody for questioning.

Perry just said they were shooters.

He have misspoke, though.

Just imagine the incredible political pressure to "manage" this story. Let's hope the MSM is up to the challenge.

wouldn't he have had to be in military at least 8 years to be Major?

sounds like he was about to be deployed. BBC has better coverage than US media -- per yoosh

re: #77 D.C. Law

Eastsider - wake the hell up. Your PC crap gets people killed.

Damn straight. Why, we ought to be forcing Muslims to wear yellow armbands so we can easily identify and target them if any of 'em decide to get, you know, uppity.

/ Dripping.

Member of silence being observed in Congress.

re: #77 D.C. Law

Eastsider - wake the hell up. Your PC crap gets people killed.

And your attitude is that of a bigot. And we treat people in this country innocent until proven guilty. SOmeone with the screen name D.C Law should have some small understanding of that point... well, maybe not.

re: #54 Fenway_Nation

I can't speak for Ft. Hood, but when I was stationed in Georgia the only time we were armed and had live ammo was when we were out on the ranges.

/That was infantry- MPs might be another matter.

Exactly - someone in the previous thread was implying that the military has been so de-funded that they had to rely on local police to take care of this. Obviously this person has never been in - it seems that most civilians think that soldiers always carry around their weapons.

SHITSHITSHITSHITSHIT!

Has anybody heard from soxfan4life!?

re: #87 researchok

Perry just said they were shooters.

He have misspoke, though.

Yeah- I'm leaning towards the military guy being a bit more anal about his facts.

re: #77 D.C. Law

Eastsider - wake the hell up. Your PC crap gets people killed.

Link?

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

I kind of posted before thinking there, but the question was just a little too rhetorical for a serious response.

re: #76 Sharmuta

Wolf Blitzer is just doing an update. He stated that the two being held are still at this point being called "suspects" (and not "shooters" -- although that's what Perry called them, "three Shooters.")

re: #94 Fenway_Nation

Why? Is he there?

looks like Gov Goodhair finally got his coiff on so he can be present

re: #72 Sharmuta

Tend to disagree with eye witness accounts until they are all put together and analyzed. Rashomon.

re: #80 badger1970

Back to that FBI statement about extreme right wing groups in regards to terrorist acts. Was this they had in mind?

G-d bless the victims and their families.

Yes, God bless them. However, there have been several tragic recent examples of 'what they had in mind'.

re: #94 Fenway_Nation

Is he @ Fort Hood?

re: #77 D.C. Law

Eastsider - wake the hell up. Your PC crap gets people killed.

I kinda doubt that a comment on this blog is going to get anyone killed.

good Lord!!! This is very, very bad.

re: #87 researchok

The two in custody could have been armed and ID'd as shooters whether or not they were able to inflict any damage. Hopefully if they were involved, they were arrested first.

I remember after 9/11 how we stood ready to give blood, but there were no wounded to give blood to.

May the wounded get the blood they need.

re: #99 Rightwingconspirator

Yes- 1st Cav- Ft. Hood, TX

Thoughts and prayers!

New update from military spokesman. Click on live link on top of page:
[Link: www.kxxv.com...]

Well, it's been two hours, and that appears to be enough time for the bigots and speculators and the outright fools to have put their Mickey's down and saunter over to the keyboards and start posting vile comments on the internets, comments which have no basis in facts, dishonest statements and plain old hatred. prepackaged, pre-canned and ready to fling, like monkeys flinging their shit.

Welcome!

This makes NO sense. Why would the army let a vocal malcontent who is also an officer be deployed?

re: #108 Fenway_Nation

Yes- 1st Cav- Ft. Hood, TX

Oh shit.

re: #98 J.S.

Wolf Blitzer is just doing an update. He stated that the two being held are still at this point being called "suspects" (and not "shooters" -- although that's what Perry called them, "three Shooters.")

He also nominates creationists to the school board and thinks national healthcare is a reason to secede from the Union.

re: #110 HelloDare

New update from military spokesman. Click on live link on top of page:
[Link: www.kxxv.com...]

NOPE. That was from an hour ago. Sorry.

re: #115 Sharmuta

lol. Yep...

re: #77 D.C. Law

Eastsider - wake the hell up. Your PC crap gets people killed.

hey, like six people beat me to my response, thanks all. Gotta love the LGF community for its rationality.

re: #78 Diamond Bullet

Despite the apparently coordinated, multiple attacks and the fact that at least one of the shooters is presumptively Muslim, CNN still has this non sequitur in its reporting:

These guys could have been shooting up the place from an APC built out of Korans and CNN would still likely try to imply that it's just PTSD.

Actually, this is normal for CNN. They modify individual paragraphs of their online stories as new information becomes available. The paragraphs here are from the original posting, and the editors apparently haven't made their periodic "full sweep" of the story to reorganize it in light of all the new information that's flowed in since the first posting.

I don't see any attempt to push the PTSD angle even here. The story notes that the suicide rate at the base was below average. When I read that a couple hours ago, my take away was that PTSD was one of the more unlikely possibilities.

re: #108 Fenway_Nation

Yes- 1st Cav- Ft. Hood, TX

Have you been trying to raise him via other means?

re: #115 Sharmuta

re: #117 J.S.

Perhaps we should extend the same avoidance of partisan snark towards Perry as we did towards Obama?

re: #116 HelloDare

The information is starting to loop and echo. We may get hours of that. Remember balloon boy... hours of the same repetitive echoes bereft of new information.

Kay Bailey Hutchenson just said that he was getting ready to be deployed to Iraq and was upset about it. I'm only passing on because the Sen. from TX said it.

I wonder how long it will take for the Becks, Coulters and Malkins before they will blame this aweful incident on Obama, Acorn or the Democrats. Really, it's in their nature, their twisted mind.

Time starts... Now!

re: #115 Sharmuta

I thought this wasn't the time for political statements and digs?

re: #121 cliffster

My vote is for no snark, no sarc on these two (so far) threads. Just out of respect to the families etc.

re: #120 Dreader1962

No...about the only way we hear from each other regularly is here or via my blog.

re: #125 TheMatrix31

The governor is pushing false information. It's a little different then the slams on Obama, don't you think?

re: #124 William of Orange

I wonder how long it will take for the Becks, Coulters and Malkins before they will blame this aweful incident on Obama, Acorn or the Democrats. Really, it's in their nature, their twisted mind.

Time starts... Now!

Day ain't over yet. Give them some time, I'm sure they're not exactly the fastest typists in the West.

Maj. General Robert Cone - Fort Hood Commanding General says that there were witness accounts that more and one shooter was involved leading to two suspects being arrested. {paraphrased}

Perry said all three were shooters; Blitzer says that two in custody are suspects. Semantics aside, it's too soon to tell what role each played in this or why the dead major (or two others arrested as suspects) engaged in mass murder.

re: #115 Sharmuta

He also nominates creationists to the school board and thinks national healthcare is a reason to secede from the Union.

I wouldn't put much stock in people's individual words at this point. They're speaking out of uncertainty and under stress, and misstatments are common. Even under ordinary circumstances, no one's speech would withstand the sort of micro-syllabic parsing being performed here.

Just getting back in and depressed as hell.

I am wondering how the guy got his hands on a sniper rifle. But an officer can get to weapons in an armory or stored at the provost more easily than an enlisted man.

re: #128 Sharmuta

How do you know what's false or what's not false at this moment in time?

re: #128 Sharmuta

And you know this is false...how?

re: #86 Varek Raith

So does jumping to conclusions when you don't know all of the facts.

Also, if you're throwing around accusations of "PC Crap" leading to murder, the implication you're making in this scenario would be that the United States Army's negligent "PC Crap" attitude led to 12 people's deaths. The man was a major. I'm siding w/ the army until the point comes where its revealed that they should have known better.

How about for today, or hell, even for the next few hours, you hold off on the knee-jerk, borderline racist reaction and just express some reverence for the fallen.

My prayers are with their families.

Twelve Soldiers Killed in Fort Hood Shooting - ABC News

The suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, R-Texas, told Fox News that military sources informed her that the gunman was about to be deployed to Iraq.

The shooter was killed and two other suspects, who are also soldiers, have been apprehended, Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone said.

The general said there were "eyewitness accounts of more than one shooter," and the others were tracked to an adjacent facility.

re: #128 Sharmuta

There was an incident at the theater and one simultaneously at the medical area... how does this involve only one shooter?
At the very least, it indicates coordination.
It will probably be a while before we know because there must be some really tight security going on.

re: #128 Sharmuta

It's Perry for Pete's sake, another politician up for office trying to get the inside track on KBH. Why do you think she's being so vocal all of a sudden?

re: #133 karmic_inquisitor

Just getting back in and depressed as hell.

I am wondering how the guy got his hands on a sniper rifle. But an officer can get to weapons in an armory or stored at the provost more easily than an enlisted man.

Was it a rifle? CNN reported two handguns earlier. Apparently the shooting occurred in a crowded, restricted area; I don't think it was in the open.

re: #132 SixDegrees

I wouldn't put much stock in people's individual words at this point. They're speaking out of uncertainty and under stress, and misstatments are common. Even under ordinary circumstances, no one's speech would withstand the sort of micro-syllabic parsing being performed here.

Yes- but some people are leaping to conclusions based on these mis-statements. For now I'm relying on the military press conference we saw with people actually on the scene as being the most reliable.

In case no one has linked this yet, it's streaming:

[Link: www.myfoxdfw.com...]

re: #128 Sharmuta

The governor is pushing false information. It's a little different then the slams on Obama, don't you think?

Except that creationism and healthcare are not the current issue right now, this shooting is. Same as some people on the last thread were asked to keep other topics out of this.

re: #128 Sharmuta

The governor is pushing false information. It's a little different then the slams on Obama, don't you think?

I can't stand Perry but I did watch him live. He was not pushing false information or doing anything really political. In addition to the "three shooters" misquote he also said "7 dead and 20 wounded" which is information that was "current" about 90 minutes earlier. My impression was that he was just providing (old) information from his own briefs and did not realize that events had outpaced his own information.

re: #137 Charles

Thank you- that's the statement myself and others were looking for.

There were two simultaneous shootings? Link?

re: #128 Sharmuta

Is General Cone a good enough source? Because he just reported eyewitness accounts of two other ' shooters'.

re: #134 TheMatrix31

How do you know what's false or what's not false at this moment in time?

re: #135 Fenway_Nation

And you know this is false...how?

I've been following along for hours.

In any case, keep the heads cool!

A lot of speculation is going on in the media. Details are not known about this.

re: #124 William of Orange

I wonder how long it will take for the Becks, Coulters and Malkins before they will blame this aweful incident on Obama, Acorn or the Democrats. Really, it's in their nature, their twisted mind.

Time starts... Now!

They won't do that. They'll put the blame where it belongs: On Radical Islam. I hope that Obama learns a lesson from this about the nature of the threat we face.

re: #141 Sharmuta

Yes- but some people are leaping to conclusions based on these mis-statements. For now I'm relying on the military press conference we saw with people actually on the scene as being the most reliable.

Completely agree.

re: #131 lawhawk

Wolf Blitzer just replayed another segment from law enforcement -- and there are supposedly eye-witness reports about a second shooter -- but this hasn't been confirmed, and the two "suspects" -- their involvement -- has yet to be determined (did they engage in any shooting? or did they assist the main gunmen in some other way? etc.).

Everyone -

A Major Malik Nidal Hasan appears to be "the Shooter" - Res Ipsa Loquitor.
Reminds me of the event just before Iraqi Freedom of the Sgt. who rolled a grenade into a tent in Kuwait.
Fox has just confirmed the name, finally!

-S-

CNN is going on about Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

A newsreader just said that the shooter worked in the psychiatric department of the bases hospital.

Another doctor, like the Glasgow Airport terrorists?

re: #139 badger1970

Uh, because she was being questioned?
She said very little, as a matter of fact, with a distinct lack of political spin.

I just scheduled an appointment to give blood. Won't be for a bit, but they'll need blood then, too.

Stop snarking and--if you can-- get bled for America. Really, most of us, it's all we can do.

re: #144 KernelPanic

I can't stand Perry but I did watch him live. He was not pushing false information or doing anything really political. In addition to the "three shooters" misquote he also said "7 dead and 20 wounded" which is information that was "current" about 90 minutes earlier. My impression was that he was just providing (old) information from his own briefs and did not realize that events had outpaced his own information.

So I shouldn't correct people here when they base their opinions off faulty information? I can't mention the previously sloppy thinking of the politician who made these inaccurate comments?

re: #149 William of Orange

In any case, keep the heads cool!

A lot of speculation is going on in the media. Details are not known about this.

The media is in full frenzy mode. Off-the-cuff statements by reporters begin to be picked up and circulated by other reporters, producing a circle-jerk of misinformation.

Time to tune out for a few hours.

re: #153 Dr. Shalit

Sgt. Hassan Akhbar- a convert to Islam. Remind me again why that piece of shit is wasting our precious oxygen.

re: #154 Bagua

More like post induction orders.

CBS News says Hasan was a psychiatrist from Maryland.

re: #136 eastsider

Since when is Islam a race? The concern is here is with a religion, not with a race.

re: #156 tradewind

Sorry. Hate got in front of common sense.

re: #155 HelloDare

That would jibe with reports mentioning that part of the incident occurred in a traumatic brain injury clinic on base (possibly building 42006). Do you have a link to your source?

May God rest the souls of all who died at the hands of Major Malik Hassan, and any of his accomplices, as yet unknown. It's a tragic day for America, when one of those charged to protect us, instead makes his countrymen his targets...

re: #155 HelloDare

A newsreader just said that the shooter worked in the psychiatric department of the bases hospital.

Another doctor, like the Glasgow Airport terrorists?

Holy shit! Curiouser and curiouser...

re: #9 Killgore Trout
It is a common name in the Arabic world.

Sincere condolences to the victims families.

If he is a convert he probably changed his name to Malik Nadal Hassan.

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

If there are other shooters, then this is a conspiracy--so probably a jihad attack.

re: #158 Sharmuta

So I shouldn't correct people here when they base their opinions off faulty information? I can't mention the previously sloppy thinking of the politician who made these inaccurate comments?

I had no such grand suggestions in mind, just wanted to give you my take as someone who watched it live.

I'm thinking about the widows and orphans.

For too many, this day will be remembered for a lifetime.

Wolf Blitzer -- dead shooter a mental health professional according to Associated press.

Questions not asked as far as I can tell-That should be
Was he recently divorced?
Passed over for promotion?
Under investigation for any reason?
Oathkeeper?

re: #154 Bagua

CNN is going on about Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

They're spewing BS. At best, this is liable to be Sudden Jihad Syndrome. At worst, this is an Al Qaeda plot.

re: #162 arethusa

CBS News says Hasan was a psychiatrist from Maryland.

Curiouser and curiouser...
A Major, recent convert, psychiatrist and about to be deployed to Iraq.

re: #172 researchok

Luby's?

re: #148 Sharmuta

I've been following along for hours.

Maybe it's better for all to just ease back a bit and follow the news reports. There is no need for anyone to become overly invested in a particular hypothesis at this point, is there?
I think I'll get some fresh air.
BBL.

re: #165 lawhawk

That would jibe with reports mentioning that part of the incident occurred in a traumatic brain injury clinic on base (possibly building 42006). Do you have a link to your source?

Somebody posted this link earlier. Click on the live feed. The news reader was quoting a military source.

[Link: www.kxxv.com...]

re: #178 badger1970

Luby's?

Today's events in addition to Luby's.

re: #176 D.C. Law

I generally make it a practice not to take history lessons from bigots.

I'll be certain to apply that practice here.

So if the guy was a recent convert and was very upset why would they still deploy him? If they need help in a combat zone they could have sent him over to the DMZ.

Does anyone know if the Brits allowed Catholics to opt out of Belfast deployments?

re: #160 Fenway_Nation

Sgt. Hassan Akhbar- a convert to Islam. Remind me again why that piece of shit is wasting our precious oxygen.

Fenway_Nation -

Legal Process - SOME, Political Correctness - MOSTLY. Too Bad Eddie Slovik was born too soon. That is all.

-S-

re: #176 D.C. Law

Go away Troll, this is not the time.

re: #154 Bagua

CNN is going on about Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

That's because they are jackasses.

An officer involved in the shootings! WTF! Mom's trying to get hold my younger brother. He's not at Fort Hood though no doubt the military is in full locked down mode. Hope everyone is getting in contact with friends and family members currently serving. BRB.

re: #167 Shiplord Kirel
There are a number of doctors that have been implicated in jihadist attacks elsewhere. Sort of shoots down the poor uneducated terrorist theory.

Cowardly sons of bitches. It's pretty evident what went on here, assassins at work, but I will put a cork in it for now.

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

They're spewing BS. At best, this is liable to be Sudden Jihad Syndrome. At worst, this is an Al Qaeda plot.

I think you are spot on in that analysis, Dark_Falcon. I think I'd prefer SJS over the later...

re: #186 cliffster

That's because they are jackasses.

Yes, egregious hacks.

re: #140 Dreader1962

Was it a rifle? CNN reported two handguns earlier. Apparently the shooting occurred in a crowded, restricted area; I don't think it was in the open.

I must be going on old info. Hand guns are easier to own on a military base. Still have to be registered with the Provost and subject to being stored at the Provost's arms room but generally not required.

re: #189 The Shadow Do

Cowardly sons of bitches. It's pretty evident what went on here, assassins at work, but I will put a cork in it for now.

Too late, we can already smell it.

More info from hospital, Temple, Texas. urgent appeal for blood has gone out.

re: #186 cliffster

That's because they are jackasses.

I'm sure the doctors involved in the Glasgow airport attack had PTSD. too./

re: #175 Dark_Falcon
We have been told over and over about the lone actor theory for acts of terror... that there will be incidents springing out of apparently nowhere. The problem is that these are almost impossible to stop.

"outburst of violence"? How does he know it was an outburst?

this makes me literally sick in my guts...I just want to cry...SJS

re: #172 researchok

I'm thinking about the widows and orphans.

For too many, this day will be remembered for a lifetime.

We should all remember this day. Those who died were killed by the same totalitarian hatered that drove the 9/11 hijackers. WE should always remember the dea, and work to finish the task tthey have begun. Armistice Day is not for another 6 days, but here is a poem often posted on that day:

In Flanders Fields
By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
Canadian Army

In Flanders Fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

re: #173 J.S.

He's a licensed psychiatrist originally from Silver Springs MD.

re: #176 D.C. Law

I'll tell you what. You're kind of bullshit is not going to fly on LGF. You can have an opinion without insulting other Lizards. And Lizards can have opinions that are opposite yours, and not have to expect your kind of shit in return.

We tend to debate here, use our critical thinking skills, agree to disagree. You evidently would have trouble doing that here.

A suggestion... git.

re: #194 J.S.

They'll have donors lined up for miles. I love Texans!

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

I was going to save that one for...*counts fingers*...six days from now.

Wow, CAIR must really be neutralized . A year or so ago they would already have been spinning all over every network.
So glad we are being spared the sight and sound of Ibrahim Hooper.

Can't rule out PTSD at this point...(a shooter with PTSD goes berserk-- could be the explanation at this point.)

re: #190 really grumpy big dog johnson

I wouldn't. If this was SJS, that means that there was a conversion and brainwashing going on. If there was that, and this guy was a mental health professional as being rumored, then who else has this guy's "message" reached?

re: #176 D.C. Law

You had a good post until those last two lines.

re: #200 lawhawk

Dammit. The DC Sniper's same area.

re: #192 karmic_inquisitor

I must be going on old info. Hand guns are easier to own on a military base. Still have to be registered with the Provost and subject to being stored at the Provost's arms room but generally not required.

The number of casualties argues against handguns, but it also argues against a single shooter. I think the main focus will be getting all witness statements and going over the scene in detail with witnesses.

A benefit will be that the military will be able to get there hands on any witnesses needed and most of them will give more detailed reports than typical witnesses.

re: #202 D.C. Law

Really? You're here to argue?

NOW?

re: #202 D.C. Law

Stop insulting the posters here. We are discussing something serious here.

re: #200 lawhawk

And served at Walter Reed Hospital also (according to CNN).

re: #178 badger1970

Think that was a cafeteria massacre.

The update confirms multiple shooters:

A Fort Hood press release confirmed that “more than one shooter fired shots into the Soldiers Readiness Processing Center and Howze Theater on Fort Hood.”

re: #107 EmmmieG

I remember after 9/11 how we stood ready to give blood, but there were no wounded to give blood to.

May the wounded get the blood they need.

I'm sure people in the area will step up.

re: #212 werewolf_in_florida

They ain't "peeps".

re: #216 Thanos

Thank you.

re: #6 bosforus

When I hear "Major" I think of my dad, who retired from the Marines as a Major. It is unfathomable to me that a man of equal rank to my dad could do something like this. Guess you never know.

Well, you don't think of particle physicists as being terrorists either, yet...

Not SJS. Not if there are what looks like three, at minimum, involved. This is a murderous conspiricy if that proves true. A capital crime as opposed to acting on some sudden rage.

re: #202 D.C. Law

Calm down dude. While I agree with what you say, there's no need for insulting.

re: #206 J.S.
Really???

re: #209 tradewind

When's that bastard's sentence going to be carried out?

re: #202 D.C. Law

Pray tell, where is the bigotry? And lord knows, a little history wouldn't hurt you. Then, maybe, you wouldn't say such silly, silly things. Also, you too might want to read and do some research.

Putz (I assume you know what that means...)

hi, I'm albusteve...you're an asshole, and I dislike you already

re: #176 D.C. Law

Look, you're exercising really poor timing right now. You're trying to make a political point hours after a tragedy. I'm in Austin right now, and the sun hasn't even set on this awful day.

Stop for a second and think about how you would respond to someone making any of the following arguments right now:

-Guns should be illegal because 12 people are dead
-Guns should be handed to everyone because 12 people are dead
-The military should not have any Muslim members
-The Army is incompetent because this man was able to kill 12 people

You might just be really angry, either because you disagree with some of those positions, or, if you're sane, because ITS 4 HOURS AFTER 12 SERVICEMEN/WOMEN WERE KILLED.

Regardless of your tenuous and bigoted position, exercise some tact and please stfu for a little while.

I have a sickening feeling of deja vu about all this in that how the news is unfolding here is so much like that of the Virginia Tech massacre and all the other mass murders in recent history and how reports continued to vary for hours (and motives remain a mystery for quite a long time after that).

re: #219 Sharmuta

Thank you.

Thank Charles, he posted the update

re: #222 gegenkritik

Calm down dude. While I agree with what you say, there's no need for insulting.

Then why did you up ding him? Birds of a feather?

re: #224 badger1970
Shocka. It's being appealed on grounds of ineffective counsel.
/spit/

re: #202 D.C. Law

Pray tell, where is the bigotry? And lord knows, a little history wouldn't hurt you. Then, maybe, you wouldn't say such silly, silly things. Also, you too might want to read and do some research.

Putz (I assume you know what that means...)

'Bye, now.

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

They won't do that. They'll put the blame where it belongs: On Radical Islam. I hope that Obama learns a lesson from this about the nature of the threat we face.

I think we won't have to expect a comment from Beck. He was in hospital for an operation and is recovering now.

[Link: www.glennbeck.com...]

re: #206 J.S.

Can't rule out PTSD at this point...(a shooter with PTSD goes berserk-- could be the explanation at this point.)

That's quite a stretch with two suspects in custody and one dead.

soxfan4life's last post was 4:30 AM Pacific time.

Hope he's OK and just incommunicado for now.

If you're reading this, let us know that you're OK as soon as you're able to.

re: #202 D.C. Law

Charles, may I suggest a time-out for this fellow? He's badly out of sorts and and I fear he's going to get himself banned for good.

re: #216 Thanos

If there were three shooters in different areas, it would seem like a Mumbai set up.

We have multiple shooters confirmed, looking more like a coordinated attack.

re: #237 Thanos

confirmed? Link?

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

They won't do that. They'll put the blame where it belongs: On Radical Islam. I hope that Obama learns a lesson from this about the nature of the threat we face.

I really hope you are right. I'm not sure all of the wackier fringe can identify the enemy any more.

re: #228 Thanos

I was not aware.

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Charles, may I suggest a time-out for this fellow? He's badly out of sorts and and I fear he's going to get himself banned for good.

no you may not...MYOB

re: #238 Rightwingconspirator

confirmed? Link?

See Charles' update above, press release from the base

re: #223 tradewind

You'd have to confirm more than one shooter, etc. (that's yet to be done at this point...If there's but one shooter, then PTSD becomes a possibility. If there were mutlitple shooters, then it's less likely to be PTSD.)

re: #221 The Shadow Do

Not SJS. Not if there are what looks like three, at minimum, involved. This is a murderous conspiricy if that proves true. A capital crime as opposed to acting on some sudden rage.

Really doesn't seem much like al-Qaeda's style, either...

re: #233 The Shadow Do

Well, you know, they could have all snapped simultaneously///
/heavy sarc/

re: #242 Thanos

Thx!

re: #237 Thanos

We have multiple shooters confirmed, looking more like a coordinated attack.

Who shot the Major?

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Charles, may I suggest a time-out for this fellow? He's badly out of sorts and and I fear he's going to get himself banned for good.

Class of 2004, 206 comments and -18 karma, and he picks this even to bait and insult on?

re: #174 Rightwingconspirator

Questions not asked as far as I can tell-That should be
Was he recently divorced?
Passed over for promotion?
Under investigation for any reason?
Oathkeeper?

I'm sure all those questions will be asked.

re: #245 D.C. Law

I've been on this board since 9/11. I don't need you telling me what to do or what to say.

And you, btw, were the one who threw around the insults. The problem is you really, really don't know what your are talking about. That's fine, you're entitled to say whatever you want, but you shouldn't slam others as bigots without any understanding of the underlying facts.

Jihadism is a major ideological current in the Muslim community, in America and elsewhere. That is a fact. The "mainstream" Muslims, for the most part (and there are notable exceptions) do not do a damn thing to counter it or stop it. That too, is a fact. Start, for bedtime reading, with the FBI transcripts of taped meetings from the leadership conference of the people who now lead nearly all the major Muslim organizations in America. They are publicly available. Or do you prefer ignorance and baseless self-rightousness?

GAZE.

re: #216 Thanos

The update confirms multiple shooters:

It's terrorism. The day may not be over.

re: #232 William of Orange

I think we won't have to expect a comment from Beck. He was in hospital for an operation and is recovering now.

[Link: www.glennbeck.com...]

What a story to hear while you're trying to rest. Given how hyper Glen Beck is (I should know, since I'm often the same way (ADHD)), he'll probably need to be put in a coma to keep him from getting worked up over this. That's not a snipe at him, because this is the sort of story that makes your blood boil.

re: #248 abu boo boo

Who shot the Major?

A police officer, who was also killed.

Wolf Blitzer again repeats right now that we don't yet know why the other two have been detained...(i'm listening/viewing CNN -- this is what CNN is reporting...)

re: #244 really grumpy big dog johnson

It seems more like the grenade roller's style.

re: #229 Walter L. Newton
Because of this part: "While I agree with what you say [...]".

Malik Nadal Hasan.

Huh.

Crazy Taoists.

re: #245 D.C. Law

I've been on this board since 9/11. I don't need you telling me what to do or what to say.

And you, btw, were the one who threw around the insults. The problem is you really, really don't know what your are talking about. That's fine, you're entitled to say whatever you want, but you shouldn't slam others as bigots without any understanding of the underlying facts.

Jihadism is a major ideological current in the Muslim community, in America and elsewhere. That is a fact. The "mainstream" Muslims, for the most part (and there are notable exceptions) do not do a damn thing to counter it or stop it. That too, is a fact. Start, for bedtime reading, with the FBI transcripts of taped meetings from the leadership conference of the people who now lead nearly all the major Muslim organizations in America. They are publicly available. Or do you prefer ignorance and baseless self-rightousness?

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Okay so you're more senior than me, but that's not the kind of history to trot out for defense.

re: #244 really grumpy big dog johnson

It could be a plot along the lines of the Fort Dix Six - shooting up a base facility at an opportune time. Multiple attackers coordinating in some fashion suggests something other than SJS.

re: #248 abu boo boo

Military Police, I believe.

re: #260 lawhawk

It could be a plot along the lines of the Fort Dix Six - shooting up a base facility at an opportune time. Multiple attackers coordinating in some fashion suggests something other than SJS.

That's where I am leaning as well, but it's too soon to say.

re: #244 really grumpy big dog johnson

Really doesn't seem much like al-Qaeda's style, either...

But it does resemble what happened in Pakistan a few weeks ago and what happened in Mumbai last year. Gun attacks by multiple coordinated shooters.

re: #255 J.S.
Wolf Blitzer is, out of all three or four networks I'm following, the least credible person IMO.
And CNN is usually very good at the breaking/hard news coverage... it's just that he is not. He has to backtrack more than almost anyone there.

This is the only story I've been reading today, and it makes me sick to my stomach. My thoughts and prayers for the families of those who were killed, and for a quick and complete recovery for those who were injured.

I don't know how much coverage this has gotten in the US, but the British also lost five soldiers to a shooting by a Afghan policeman yesterday. It's been a tragic week.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

re: #245 D.C. Law

You need to back off. Your arguments entire basis relies solely on the murderer's name. You need to wait until we know what the hell happened before you assign motives.
Gaze, kthxbai.

The nutosphere is going absolutely apeshit over this and it is going to get much worse. The "false flag" idiocy is the worst.

(Paraphrased and condensed)Since Hasan is from Maryland, close by DC, he has obviously been conspiring with fellow Muslim Barack Obama to carry out this attack in order to justify martial law and a crackdown.
(I am not making that up but I won't pollute this board with a link.)

Crackdown on whom? Muslim psychiatrists?

re: #264 tradewind

He tends to be cautious -- also, don't forget it was Wolf Blitzer who revealed the Balloon boy hoax...it was through his questioning...

the FBI transcripts of taped meetings from the leadership conference of the people who now lead nearly all the major Muslim organizations in America. They are publicly available.

Are they available online?

re: #244 really grumpy big dog johnson

Really doesn't seem much like al-Qaeda's style, either...

I agree with that. Need a new adjetive to go with Jihad Syndrome however. This does not look particulary sudden at this point. Are these bastards self radicalized or is there someone(s) somewhere outside these three to look for their 'inspiration'? I hope the FBI digs deep.

re: #267 Shiplord Kirel